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My Brief Affair With Simon Byrne — seftonblog

Peter Sefton has some caustic comments to make about the PSNI’s new boss, one Simon Byrne, someone who avid readers of this blog will recall briefly appeared in the cross hairs of thebrokenelbow recently. Here is Peter’s take on the man, although my advice to him is simple – do not hold your breath:

Dear Reader! If you have ‘issues’ or are of a nervous disposition, go no further! Only a few weeks ago, Fat George, the NIO placeman/policeman, vacated his post and in came Simon Byrne. Thrusting, opinionated and unemployed, he was an ideal choice […]

via My Brief affair with Simon Byrne — seftonblog

Putting Robert Mueller Into Context

Robert Mueller, whose testimony to two committees of the House of Representatives on the scandal enveloping Donald Trump this week dominated the headlines, took up his job as director of the FBI on September 4th, 2001, exactly a week before Al Qaeda took down the twin towers in Manhattan and blasted a huge hole in the side of the Pentagon in Washington DC.

The attacks on 911 were a massive indictment of America’s intelligence apparatus. Both the FBI and the CIA had missed clear signals that the attack was being prepared and compounded their folly by stubbornly refusing to share what intelligence they had.

It became Mueller’s task to rehabilitate the FBI (the CIA had their own way, to which the people of Iraq can attest) and the way he went about it reveals enough about the man and his value system to make his pathetic performance at Congress last week no surprise at all, except to those many US journalists who failed to do their homework on the man, or if they did, to ignore it.

I must admit I didn’t follow every twist and turn of the media coverage that followed Thursday’s debacle in Washington but I watched and read enough to notice that there was virtually no mention of how this sordid chapter in Mueller’s professional life marked him out as a government servant for whom no depth was too low if the end result suited the needs of his political masters and kept all his confreres in well paid, prestigious employment.

I’ll leave it to The Guardian’s Paul Harris to describe, in this November 2011 article, how Robert Mueller went about the job of rehabilitating the FBI, post 911, and why no-one should have been surprised at the man’s refusal to tell Congress the truth about what his investigation had unearthed about Donald Trump.

Enjoy – if that is the right word.

‘Billy Wright – The First Paisleyite’

An academic article on the late LVF leader Billy Wright who was killed in the Maze prison by the INLA in 1997, written by a German student identified only by the initials ‘WL’.

The translation could be better but nonetheless this is an interesting piece tracing Wright’s politics and religion back to a more fundamental form of Free Presbyterianism – hence his long friendship with William McCrea and disillusionment with Ian Paisley.

Let me know if there any problems accessing the article.

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Prince Andrew And The Jeffrey Epstein Scandal

The Tom Oliver, LMFM Radio Louth Interviews, Part Three

It was to be expected that Sinn Fein’s friends in the media, or to be more accurate Gerry Adams’ friends, would seize upon the recent libel settlement between the former SF president and LMFM Radio Louth, arising out of a series of interviews dealing with the 1991 IRA killing of Cooley farmer Tom Oliver, as ‘scotching’, once and for all, media speculation that Adams may have had a hand in the man’s brutal killing.

It will come as no surprise that leading the field was Phoenix magazine in Dublin, edited by Paddy Prendiville, with whom this writer had the experience of once sharing an office, albeit for only a short time, in the old Hibernia building in Dublin’s Beresford Place.

You can read what Phoenix recently published about the settlement below and notice that the article links this development with the impending libel suit Adams has served against the BBC in Belfast on foot of a Spotlight television programme alleging Adams had a hand in the killing of RUC Special Branch spy, Denis Donaldson.

Phoenix clearly believes that having silenced media speculation about Adams’ alleged role in the Oliver slaying – the farmer was accused of spying on the IRA in the Cooley peninsula on behalf of the Garda Special Branch – this will strengthen the former IRA Chief of Staff’s hand when he faces the BBC in a Dublin court next February.

But was Adams’ alleged role in the Oliver killing really at the centre of the settlement with the radio station? Or was there something else that was said which provoked the action?

In that regard it is well worth revisiting the short statement that LMFM radio issued when the settlement with Adams was made public. It read:

On 14 and 15 February 2019, during interviews broadcast on The Michael Reade Show, a number of false and defamatory comments were made regarding Gerry Adams TD concerning the murder of Tom Oliver. We unreservedly retract these false statements, which we acknowledge should not have been broadcast in the first place. We apologise unreservedly to Mr Adams.

Adams himself had only this to say:

I welcome LMFM’s apology and its unreserved retraction of ‘false and defamatory’ comments that were made on the Michael Reade Show in February concerning the murder of Tom Oliver.

Neither of these statements gave any clue as to what the issue was that had motivated the libel, much less that it was about the suggestion that Adams had ordered the Oliver slaying.

So, what were these alleged ‘false and defamatory’ comments?

There are two clues about this matter. One comes in a complaint that Adams lodged with the Press Ombudsman in Dublin in January 2018 arising out of an article on the Oliver killing in The Irish Independent in September the previous year.

The Indo piece ran the headline: ‘Don’t Jail IRA Murderers Of Innocent Farmer – Adams‘, and it alleged that in an interview with Radio LMFM, Adams had argued that pursuing Oliver’s killers would not “assist the wider process” and that it “would be totally and absolutely counterproductive”.

Adams denied he had said this but the Press Ombudsman rejected his complaint.

A close reading of the transcripts of the Radio LMFM interviews of 14th and 15th February, 2019 show that it was again this issue that most exercised the former Sinn Fein leader.

So much so that Adams complained in his own LMFM interview on February 15th about comments that Michael Reade had made the previous day in the interview with FG TD, Peter Fitzpatrick.

Here is that part of the Adams-Reade exchange:

Gerry:   You also said, if my transcript of your interview is correct, it says: Michael Reade: Sinn Féin don’t want this murder investigated. Gerry Adams said it would be unhelpful to have it investigated as president of Sinn Féin.

“Sinn Féin want all of these murders, all of these attacks and killings investigated in terms which the families desire. I never said what you accused me of saying.

“Michael:   Okay. Well, your transcript is correct and that is exactly what I said and I accept what you’re saying now, yes.

“Gerry:   And would you like to withdraw that, then, Michael?

“Michael:   Yes, absolutely. If you’re saying that’s not the case and you would like it investigated of course I’ll accept that.”

So, what troubled and angered Gerry Adams most about the Michael Reade exchanges, according to the transcripts of the 2019 LMFM interviews, was the suggestion that he did not want the Tom Oliver killing or any other Troubles killing investigated and the perpetrators brought to book.

He did not complain in the same way at all when he was asked if he was the IRA leader, secretly named at the Smithwick Tribunal by then PSNI Crime chief, Drew Harris, who had over-ridden local concerns and ordered the execution of Tom Oliver – and had denied so in a memorable RTE television interview with Miriam O’Callaghan (which you can watch here).

If I was a betting man, I’d stake the mortgage that the libel case against Radio LMFM was not about whether he had ordered the Oliver killing but the same issue he had brought unsuccessfully to the Press Ombudsman – that he didn’t want any Troubles deaths probed.

It is pretty clear that of the two, any half-decent lawyer would choose the latter as the easier to win. All that remained would be fudging the outcome while leaving the media guessing.

But, dear readers, you can judge for yourself by reading the final Radio LMFM interview with the man himself.

Gerry Adams – The Michael Reade Show LMFM Radio 15 February 2019

The Michael Read Show

LMFM Radio 98.5

Michael Reade speaks to Gerry Adams, Louth TD and former president of Sinn Féin, about yesterday’s programme during which Independent Louth TD Peter Fitzpatrick discussed the questions he asked Garda Commissioner Drew Harris at the 13 February 2019 Justice Committee meeting at Leinster House concerning the 1991 murder of Co. Louth farmer Tom Oliver.

Michael:   The Garda Commissioner, Drew Harris, says he met with the family of Cooley sheep farmer, Tom Oliver, who was executed by the IRA in 1991. In 2012 Mr. Harris gave evidence to the Smithwick Tribunal when he was Deputy Chief Constable of the PSNI (Police Service of Northern Ireland). Harris told the Tribunal that a senior member of the Provisional IRA directed that Tom Oliver would be killed. He was asked if he knew who gave the order and if he had informed the Gardaí. Harris said he had and wrote the name of the IRA man down and gave it to Judge Peter Smithwick. Tom Oliver’s family wants to know who that person is and what is being done to investigate the murder. Yesterday, Independent TD Peter Fitzpatrick told this programme that Gerry Adams was in the Cooleys in 1991. He said Adams has been asked if he was involved and was in fact the court of appeal that said that Oliver should go to his death by RTÉ. And Fitzpatrick said Adams now needs to clear his name.

Audio:   Deputy Peter Fitzpatrick speaking on the programme on 14 February 2019:

…if I was Gerry Adams and – if you go back to Prime Time back in 2015, Miriam O’Callaghan, when she was interviewing Gerry Adams, first of all he wouldn’t answer any of the questions she was asking him – but he has an opportunity, now, of clearing his name because if you go back to the time Tom Oliver was murdered, in the 18th-19th July in 1991, it just happened that Gerry Adams happened to be in the Cooley area.

Sinn Féin TD Gerry Adams joins us now and Good Morning! to you and thank you indeed for joining us. Do you believe the name Drew Harris gave to Peter Smithwick, the person the Garda Commissioner believes to have ordered the execution of Tom Oliver, the name he gave to a statutory tribunal was ‘Gerry Adams’?

Gerry:  No, I don’t think so. I don’t know – that’s the God’s honest truth. But that’s, let me if I may, start my remarks by saying I’m very, very conscious of the grievous loss suffered by Tom Oliver’s family. I’m very, very conscious that they want answers to questions and I think they should have those answers to questions. But the reason I’m on this programme and I haven’t been on the programme for some time because as you know I stood down as Uachtarán of Sinn Féin and Mary Lou McDonald is doing that job now and she has my full support and I’m honoured to serve the people of Louth but I will not be standing for the next election. Ruairí Ó Murchú and my friend, Amelda Munster, will be standing for our party in this constituency so I’ve been doing less interviews. So why have I come on to do this interview? I’ve come on to do this interview because Peter Fitzpatrick is selective, is cynical and he is an exploiter of some deaths that have occurred. I support all the families, all the victim’s families, whatever their particular search is – some want different outcomes, some have different views – for example you know, the Oliver Family and in terms of what they need should be given what they need so should the family of Seamus Ludlow, so should the family the two men, Huge Watters and Jack Rooney, who were killed in Kay’s Tavern – all of those families, I just mentioned some – all deserve our support and I give them my support and Sinn Féin gives them our support. But for Peter Fitzpatrick to come on and say that I should clear my name I find that absolutely shameful and cynical and opportunistic.

Michael:  Do you believe that there is reason to ask you if the name Drew Harris gave to Peter Smithwick was ‘Gerry Adams’?

Gerry:   None whatsoever. None whatsoever.

Michael:  Peter Fitzpatrick mentioned that you were in the Cooleys at the time that Tom Oliver was killed.

Gerry:  (scoffs) Oh, so that’s a crime? That’s an offence? That makes me a suspect? Look, this guy’s been – this is the man who joined Fine Gael as a career move and has now left Fine Gael…

Michael:  …He also…

Gerry:  …and he didn’t. Sorry. Let me finish. He didn’t leave Fine Gael because of the crisis in the health services, because of the crisis in homelessness, because of the various scandals that have ripped this government – he left Fine Gael because he thought he wasn’t going to get selected in the election convention. So it’s no secret I have written – people know me. My family rented a house in The Cooleys for ages. For ages. I regularly walk there – I’ll be there later today, incidentally. I’m regularly – and I’m proud to represent the people of that peninsula along with the rest of the constituency. So here were are having a discussion about a deadly serious issue, about the loss of a man’s life, and it has turned into this inquisition on the basis of Peter Fitzpatrick simply trying to grandstand at a Justice Committee meeting in Leinster House.

Michael:  Well, Peter Fitzpatrick yesterday on this programme referenced the interview that you gave to Miriam O’Callaghan on Prime Time television when she asked you if you were the court of appeal that said that Tom Oliver should go to his death. You took exception being asked that but she said to you that it was widely believed by members of his family that there were questions to be asked of you. And in June of last year, Ed Moloney reported on the interaction which happened behind closed doors, I understand it, between Drew Harris as a representative of the PSNI giving evidence to the Smithwick Tribunal, and he suggests that the reason that Miriam O’Callaghan asked you those questions was because it was your name that Drew Harris gave to Judge Smithwick.

Gerry:   Well, none of that – well you know, Drew Harris now the Garda Commissioner. He’s a former PSNI Assistant Chief Constable. He’s a former senior RUC (Royal Ulster Constabulary) officer. I met him briefly at the First Dáil Commemoration a month or so ago and wished him well in his new role. He’s in a very unique on all these issues. He’s in a very unique, for example, in relation to the Glenanne Gang who, you may know, was responsible for the Dublin-Monaghan bombings, for the attack at Kay’s Tavern and the murder of Seamus Ludlow. Now, I want to see Peter Fitzpatrick taking the same focus on all these other killings as he does in terms of making these totally unfounded and malicious allegations against me. Drew Harris is in a unique position, a unique position, to bring the perpetrators to book…

Michael:  …Okay…

Gerry:  …to bring them to justice and secondly, he’s also in a very, very unique position to give the various inquiries that have been set up over the years, from Barron right through, and we know that the British are refusing to hand over information – well, if anybody has that information it’s Drew Harris!

Michael:  Okay, but I’m sure you’ll agree, Gerry Adams, that both Ed Moloney and Miriam O’Callaghan are very respected and credible journalists. Both of the journalists appear to be of the impression that the name Drew Harris gave to Peter Smithwick was ‘Gerry Adams’. You say that you don’t believe that to be the case. We’ve heard from the family of Tom Oliver and they have a question for you if I may put that to you because the Garda Commissioner Harris knows the name of the IRA man who ordered the murder of Tom Oliver. (At least he believes he knows the person who did it.) And the family want to ask you, Gerry Adams, if it’s not Gerry Adams do you know the name of the Army Council member that gave to go-ahead to kill Tom Oliver?

Gerry:   No, I don’t know. I don’t know anyone who’s involved in this unfortunate man’s killing or any of the events which led to it. I know it wasn’t me. I find it exceptional that you should be asking me questions based upon nothing. Based upon someone – and I don’t consider Ed Moloney to be a reputable journalist (whatever about Miriam O’Callaghan) – based on them being able to see into Drew Harris’ mind. Let’s stop playing games…

Michael:  … (crosstalk) Well, I think without playing games it’s an opportunity to give you a right to reply given that an independent TD said on this programme yesterday that this was an opportunity for you to clear your name and we are, I hope, giving you an opportunity to respond to that and to that question that I put to you from the Oliver Family. As I said, they have been in touch with us.

Gerry:   You also said, if my transcript of your interview is correct, it says: Michael Reade: Sinn Féin don’t want this murder investigated. Gerry Adams said it would be unhelpful to have it investigated as president of Sinn Féin.

Sinn Féin want all of these murders, all of these attacks and killings investigated in terms which the families desire. I never said what you accused me of saying.

Michael:   Okay. Well, your transcript is correct and that is exactly what I said and I accept what you’re saying now, yes.

Gerry:   And would you like to withdraw that, then, Michael?

Michael:   Yes, absolutely. If you’re saying that’s not the case and you would like it investigated of course I’ll accept that.

Gerry:  Yes, and we’re very, very clear about this. We signed up for a process and even though the Executive is down in The North this does not prevent the process from proceeding and that is a process which both governments were to establish for the independent scrutiny, review, investigation, of all of the killings. There was to be new bodies to be established – the Independent Commission on Information Retrieval – there was to be an implementation and reconciliation group established to find, bring people the type of closure which they desire and in the course of that, we also signed up for – if that’s what families want, for court cases or for investigation by, live investigation, by either An Garda Síochána or the PSNI (Police Service of Northern Ireland) – now that’s the Sinn Féin position, that’s my position – I was part of that process of putting that together. So it’s absolutely ridiculous and I find it deeply offensive that these type of charges can be flung around by the likes of Peter Fitzpatrick who’s only interested in trying to score points off Sinn Féin (inaudible).

Michael:   And you understand legacy issues probably better than most people, Gerry Adams, and you understand how families are left asking questions and they would like those questions answered. You’ve said you don’t know anything about the circumstances that led to the death of Tom Oliver or about what occurred there. And I take it that will mean that you won’t be able to answer this next question, it’s the second and last question that we have from the family for you, plus I understand you won’t be able to answer it. I’d like, on behalf of the family, to say what they’ve looked for answers to – they say that the Commissioner said that several Provisional IRA members and others requested that Tom Oliver not be killed and the family would like to know why did the senior IRA member go against that and were there any any local IRA members present? Now, I’m not sure if you want to address that in any way now.

Gerry:   Well, I have no information on any of that.

Michael:   Okay. Can I ask you about the appointment of Drew Harris? Because Mr. Harris is somebody who, as the Deputy Chief Constable who ordered you arrest which could have been viewed as political policing at the time of an election, in relation to the killing of Jean McConville. Do you support his appointment?

Gerry:  Yes. You know, I’ve – my arrest was a political arrest. I took exception of that, to that, at the time. But that’s over. You know, the man has a job to do. It’s our responsibility to hold him to account. That’s what he was doing at the Justice Committee – being held to account. I want to ask him a series of questions. I’m meeting An Garda Síochána here, and I’m in Dundalk at the moment – I’m actually just across the street from Kay’s Tavern – but I meet An Garda Síochána here about current issues. We have big issues here in relation to families being intimidated by drugs gangs who are holding families to account for debts incurred by their addict relatives and that’s really a serious case – that’s ongoing with a whole range of other contemporary (inaudible) issues as well as these legacy issues. I met Pat Finucane’s family on Sunday. You’ll know that Pat was a human rights lawyer.

You’ll also know that it was revealed the other day that the PSNI had withheld information to the Police Ombudsman in The North on a whole series of very, very serious incidents including the killing of Sinn Féin member Eddie Fullerton and others. I met the family of Seamus Ludlow two weeks ago in the Dáil – and here is a case of a Co. Louth man who was killed and the Barron Commission, which was established, was in no doubt about what was involved where it said the Glenanne Gang, who I mentioned earlier, were responsible for what it described as acts of international terrorism colluded in by the British security forces and it asked for an individual public inquiry into the killing of Seamus Ludlow and the subsequent handling of his case by An Garda Síochána and the government’s refusal to give the family that though that’s the…

Michael:   …and the behaviour of the Cosgrave government at the time – I’m sure there’s many questions. But just to conclude…

Gerry:  …No, no, no but see – here’s the thing about all of this…

Michael:  …Yeah…

Gerry:   …as this interview proves, that might have been the Cosgrave government but Charlie Flanagan’s still refusing to give the Ludlow Family the type of inquiry that they’re looking for. Charlie Flanagan is refusing to lift the lid on the Crevan Mackin scandal – a man who we know killed himself, killed Garda Tony Golden, seriously wounded Siobhán Phillips and, in my belief, was at that time a paid agent of An Garda Síochána…

Michael:  …Okay..

Gerry:   …Charlie Flanagan. So these events, while they may have happened a few years ago or a lot of years ago, when the government of the day refuses to give families – we saw the same, I watched Prime Time last night with Shane O’Farrell’s mother, a wonderful woman, who has pursued justice for her son relentlessly so…

Michael:  …and a case that you pushed to the highest level and brought to the Dáil many times and forced a meeting between the family and Enda Kenny if I remember. But just in terms of this question: You’ve faced down questions of this sort many times over many years, Gerry Adams, and undoubtedly you’ll face this one down but you know the cycle of news and how this will get legs now and so on. Would it be helpful if Drew Harris was to put this to bed? He’s the only person who can put it to bed. Would you ask him to make an unequivocal statement that the name he gave to Judge Smithwick was not ‘Gerry Adams’?

Gerry:  That’s a matter for him. I’m not going to interfere with him in terms of the operation and responsibilities that he has. I know it wasn’t me so that’s – I’m content in my own skin on this issue. And this isn’t a matter of me facing down questions, Michael. At the heart of all of this, and I repeat it, in all of these cases that just become part of the news cycle are families which are grieving, families who are getting older, families who want the truth – all of us have a responsibility to give families the truth. Part of giving families the truth would be to stop telling the type of untruthful assertions that we hear from the likes of Peter Fitzpatrick.

Michael:  Okay. Thank you very much, indeed, for taking our questions this morning and for joining us for that matter. That’s Sinn Féin TD for Louth – Gerry Adams.

The Tom Oliver, LMFM Radio Louth Interviews, Part Two

Peter Fitzpatrick TD On The Michael Reade Show – February 14th, 2019

LMFM Radio 95.8

Michael Reade has Co. Louth Independent TD Peter Fitzpatrick in studio to discusses his questioning of Garda Commissioner Drew Harris about the 1991 murder of Co. Louth farmer Tom Oliver at a meeting of the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice  yesterday, 13 February 2019.

Michael:   Now the PSNI (Police Service of Northern Ireland) Chief Constable has the name of a senior Provisional IRA man who allegedly ordered the murder Tom Oliver in 1991 – this is according to the Garda Commissioner, Drew Harris, who was in front of the Justice Committee yesterday and was responding to questions put to him by Independent TD Peter Fitzpatrick who’s come into us this morning. Good Morning! to you, Peter Fitzpatrick, and thanks for joining us. It was a most interesting interaction. In fact, we’ll be listening to the questions you put to the Commissioner and the Commissioner’s response a little bit later on in the programme. But perhaps you’d begin by putting this into context for us – what happened in 1991? Who was Tom Oliver?

Peter: Well, first of all Tom Oliver was a forty-three year old man. He was a husband. He was a father of seven children. He was a sheep farmer. And the Gardai and everybody in the area maintain that he had no connection to any paramilitary or security forces. He was abducted, he was tortured, he was brutally murdered by members of the Provisional IRA. His body was found in Belleek in Co. Armagh; he was shot in the head. At a postmortem the local priest couldn’t really recognise him because it looked as though a concrete block had smashed the whole man’s body up. Tom Oliver was an innocent person who back in 1989 discovered a barrel on his land and in the barrel there was, when the Garda came along, there was guns and I maintain from that day on that Tom Oliver’s life was a big threat.

Michael:  Alright and the IRA took responsibility and An Phoblacht, the Republican newspaper, published the reason why which was that the IRA believed that he was an informant and I think, if I remember correctly, the IRA at the time made it known to people that informants would be treated in the way that Tom Oliver was.

Peter:   Yes, that Sinn Féin magazine made serious allegations against Tom Oliver and his family and also published that the Provisional IRA did do the murder. Yes, it was an opportunity – this is my second time in front of Garda Commissioner, Drew Harris – and I think, you know, it’s about time – like 1991 is an awful a long time and like since 1991 Tom Oliver’s mother has died, one of his daughters has died, the wife’s not well at the moment and I think it’s time we need a bit of clarity and I had an opportunity…

Michael:  …It was twenty-eight years ago!

Peter:  It’s a long, long time.

Michael:   I mean, surely the file’s now closed on this.

Peter:  No. As you know yourself there’s new file opened there last year. There was supposed to be new information found on the head of the car number on cigarette packet and that there, but listen…

Michael:  …And just to stop at that point – at that time, when the Gardaí reopened the investigation, Drew Harris was actually working for the PSNI. Now Drew Harris is the Garda Commissioner. And he told you that the PSNI has the name of the person who ordered Tom Oliver’s killing and this is why you raised it with him at the Justice Committee yesterday.

Peter:  Yeah. I think the main reason I did take it up is when you look back from 2006 to 2014 Drew Harris was a Northern Ireland Assistant Chief Constable and his main function – at that time he was the crime operator. He was the man that gathered all the intelligence, he was looking after the terrorist groups, the criminal groups and he had direct links to MI5. So, and also, I also stated yesterday that back in 2012 he came in front of the Smithwick Tribunal and he made serious allegations as such…

Michael:  And the Smithwick Tribunal was investigating the killing of two RUC (Royal Ulster Constabulary) officers.

Peter:  Yeah, there was two RUC officers they murdered and there was also a connection there with the Dundalk barracks and there was a lot of things that happened there but like if you look back there, that happened back in 1989, and there was two RUC – first of all there was Chief Superintendent Harry Breen and Superintendent Bob Buchanan who was ambushed and murdered by the Provisional IRA – and his witnesses he found, Drew Harris was up in front of the Smithwick Tribunal and people don’t realise it – he was actually there for eleven hours – so he was giving an awful lot of information. He was talking about the murder of the two RUCs and he also maintained that the person who informed the IRA about the activities of the two RUC officers was also the person who that informed the IRA about allegations on Tom Oliver. So, we had an opportunity…

Michael:  …Was that somebody in Dundalk Garda Station?

Peter:   Well listen, as I said, Peter Smithwick, the judge over the case, said that everything that Drew Harris, said the evidence that he gave, was all true. And these…

Michael:  …He was asked by Justice Smithwick: Who ordered the killing of Tom Oliver?

Peter:  Oh, he did. Like let’s, I’ll tell you what, Michael, I’ll just start it at the beginning, Michael. I know you said that later on you’re going to run in on your programme. Back in October 2012 there was the Smithwick Tribunal and it was done in closed session and Drew Harris made a lot of statements there and what happened was then, it was in closed session – and in fairness to Peter Smithwick, who was the judge at the time, after consultation he came out and published a lot of what was said and what he did say was that Drew Harris told him that there was a file and there was sensational information in the file. And it was basically saying, naming, a senior IRA personnel who ordered the murder of Tom Oliver.

Michael:  A member of the Army Council?

Peter: Oh, yes. And this man came to the area and met members of the IRA in the Cooley area – that these people didn’t want Tom Oliver murdered but he gave the direct go-ahead to murder Tom Oliver. So Tom Oliver was abducted, he was taken down to Armagh.

Like and, the Sinn Féin magazine again also stated that there was supposed to be a tape released at the time stating that Tom Oliver said that he was an informer. Like as I said to you, the parish priest looked at the body and I’ll tell you one thing, like, what happened to that poor man! Like he must have been – listen, the problem that I got here is that members of the family listening to this at the moment and you said it, it’s twenty-eight years ago and all they want is closure – but Drew Harris told the Tribunal that the Garda have the information and he wrote down on a piece of paper the name of the person. And I think that people of – first of all the Oliver Family – the people of the Cooley area who, I stated on your programme for the last number of years, is a split community – there’s families not talking, there’s people banned from pubs – like that whole area is completely split! And all we want now is – and Drew Harris, the Garda Commissioner, the Chief Constable of the PSNI – have to come together, we have to – let’s get it once and for all.

Michael:  Right. We’re going to hear what you said yesterday, we’re going to hear what Drew Harris, the Commissioner, said yesterday and we’re also going to hear what the Chairperson of the Committee said yesterday because I think people have to hear this for themselves to believe what happened and to make up their own minds as to why there was an intervention. If people are familiar with this story they’ll know that Sinn Féin don’t want this murder investigated. Gerry Adams said it would be ‘unhelpful’ to have it investigated and Gerry Adams certainly doesn’t want it investigated and he made those statements at the time as the president of Sinn Féin. Now you asked these questions of the Garda Commissioner yesterday and the Chair of the committee is a Sinn Féin TD. And Caoimhghin Ó Caoláin said: Well, you don’t have to answer those questions. He made it clear to the Commissioner that he wouldn’t expect him to answer them and seemed to think he wouldn’t be in the position to answer them and the Commissioner was, obviously, of a very different mind and was well prepared to answer them and had already met with the Oliver Family.

Peter:  Like from day one, even if you look at the first conference that the Garda Commissioner gave he actually sat in the chair on his own. This man has promised to look after vulnerable people. I had an opportunity yesterday to ask questions about Tom Oliver and, in fairness, Caoimhghin Ó Caoláin, who was the Chair of the Committee, said that we could ask whatever questions we wanted to ask.

Michael:   Were you surprised that Caoimhghin Ó Caoláin suggested that the Commissioner mightn’t be able to answer it?

Peter:  Well, I was very, very disappointed and in fairness, he normally is a good chair.

Michael:  That was odd – wasn’t it?

Peter:  I honestly could not believe yesterday – the way he intervened – because, in fairness, like I’m on the Justice Committee for the last number of years and no matter what TD asked questions I’ve never once interrupted anybody at that moment – we’re all entitled to ask the questions. And I had an opportunity yesterday to ask the questions and, in fairness, he gave me answers. I think the big plus we got yesterday was that the Garda Commissioner has already said that he met the Oliver Family and he’s given the commitment over the next number of weeks to go and visit the family again. I’m sure, when he met the Oliver Family first, I’m sure the Oliver Family did ask him a few questions. I’d say what he’s doing at the moment is he’s sitting down digesting it. I’m sure that he’s talking to the Chief Constable…

Michael:  …He was very familiar with it. How do these things work? You said you were told you could ask whatever questions you wanted – was the Commissioner aware that you were going to raise this?

Peter:  No. No…

Michael:  …He knew the case without having to give it a second thought.

Peter:   Well, when the Commissioner came first of all up in front of the Committee I quizzed him for nearly thirty minutes as you told on your programme. And in fairness every question I’ve asked him – I find him him very up, very open. And in fairness, like there’s a lot of allegations going around in this country at the moment that the person who’s involved is A, B and C…

Michael:  …But he believes he knows himself who ordered the killing of Tom Oliver. He gave that name to Justice Smithwick. He says that’s information belonging to the PSNI now. He has met with the Oliver Family. He took questions from you yesterday. He said he’ll meet with the family again but there’s no questioning his familiarity with this particular case. He is very, very much aware of what happened in 1991.

Peter:  Well, if you go back to the 2012 Smithwick Tribunal he held nothing back. He faced everything exactly. He said that he does know the name of the person who ordered the murder of Tom Oliver, he handed it to the judge so he’s familiar with it. I think he’s a lot of information there at the moment. I know, I know that the people in Co. Louth, the family, the Oliver Family – all we want is clarity. After twenty-eight years I think we’ve really, really come a long, long way. I think Drew Harris has an opportunity of closing this case…

Michael:  …We’ve asked Gerry Adams (I’m sorry for having crossed you but we’re coming up to news time) we’ve asked Gerry Adams to make comment on this on the programme tomorrow or at another time. We don’t know if he will because he’s made his statements on it previously. There’s questions about what Caoimhghin Ó Caoláin said yesterday or how he intervened in the interaction yesterday and undoubtedly the family have questions that they’d like Sinn Féin to answer now about the investigation into the killing of Tom Oliver. What would you like Sinn Féin to do now?

Peter:   Well first of all, if I was Gerry Adams and – if you go back to Prime Time back in 2015, Miriam O’Callaghan, when she was interviewing Gerry Adams, first of all he wouldn’t answer any of the questions she was asking him – but he has an opportunity, now, of clearing his name because if you go back to the time Tom Oliver was murdered, in the 18th-19th July in 1991, it just happened that Gerry Adams happened to be in the Cooley area. And Miriam O’Callaghan put all these questions to him and like, like I’m not (inaudible) all we want to know is, sorry, all we do know at the moment is that the Garda Commissioner knows who the informer was and I think there’s an obligation on the Garda Commissioner, the Chief Constable of Northern Ireland, to work together for once and for all to put closure on to Tom Oliver. As I said to you early on, his mother died in 1991, his wife’s not very well at the moment, one of his siblings has died and I just think, for once and for all, we have to do something and all I’d say at the moment is: Please let the right thing be done.

Michael:   Independent TD for Louth, Peter Fitzpatrick, thank you very much indeed.

The Michael Reade Show then played audio of the hearing the day before of the Dail Justice Committee:

Michael:  The Garda Commissioner, Drew Harris, was in front of the Justice Committee yesterday. Let’s hear some of the interaction the Commissioner had with local Independent TD, Peter Fitzpatrick.

Peter:  On July 19th 1991 Tom Oliver, a forty-three year old man from Riverstown, Co. Louth, a husband who had seven children, a sheep farmer, no connection to any paramilitary or security forces was abducted, tortured and brutally murdered by members of the Provisional IRA. His body was found across the border in Belleek in Co. Armagh. He was shot in the head. A local priest who attended the postmortem remarked that it looked like they dropped a concrete block on every part of his body. All his family is looking for is justice and who killed their father. In October 2012 you gave evidence to the Smithwick Tribunal in closed session. Judge Peter Smithwick decided after consultation to publish. He stated that you told him, Based on intelligence files compiled by the PSNI and the RUC and MI5, the British security services, you spoke about the killing of Tom Oliver and that one intelligence file was noting short than sensational. File ‘Number Nine’ stated: intelligence indicated that a senior Provisional IRA Council member was directly involved in the ordering of the murder of Tom Oliver. The senior Provisional IRA Army Council had been approached by several Provisional IRA members and others requesting that Tom Oliver not to be killed. Despite this request, the senior Provisional IRA Army member directed that Tom Oliver be executed. You were then asked: Did you know who that person was and, if so, would you pass on the information to the Gardaí? Your answer was: Yes.

Unidentified Voice:  …(inaudible)…

Peter:  …Excuse… Asked if you would like to give the name of the…

Committee Chair Ó Caoláin:  …Deputy Fitzpatrick…

Peter:  …I’m nearly finished. I’m nearly finished, please.

Committee Chair Ó Caoláin:  If you would indicate what the nature of your question is.

Peter:  Yeah. I’ve just one more sentence left. Asked if you would like to give the name of the Army Council member who sent Tom Oliver to his death you opted to write it down and give the name to Judge Peter Smithwick. This family has suffered since the murder. All I want to do is ask the Garda Commissioner: Where do you go from here? A fresh investigation is underway. Will you meet the family? And what also I want to know is : What is actually happening? You’re now the Garda Commissioner and I just want to know and what this family wants to know is: What is happening from here on? Thank you.

Committee Chair Ó Caoláin:  Deputy Fitzpatrick, I feel that the Commissioner will respond as he is in a position to respond – if you’re in a position to offer a reply today.

Commissioner Harris:  Well, I have met the family and the family will be coming into see me again over the next couple of months. And so they want an update on the review that An Garda Síochána have committed to and indeed finish in respect to the abduction and murder of Tom Oliver. And so I prefer a meeting with the family to brief them on that. The body of Tom Oliver was recovered in Belleek South Armagh so the Chief Constable of the PSNI has the jurisdiction for the investigation of that murder and we will be assisting the PSNI in any review that they would do in respect to that murder.

Peter:  This is, like the name – what’s happening with the name of this person of the IRA? What’s actually happening there at the moment? I hope it’s not going to be buried. Where do we go from here?

Commissioner Harris:  Well, that’s no longer my information. That’s information which is held by the Chief Constable in the Police Service of Northern Ireland. So that information is in his possession and that’s for him then to determine what actions then he takes next.

Peter:  Well, my main concern here is the family and I’m delighted that you already met the family and I’m delighted that you’re going to meet the family again because it’s the family who lost a father and neighbours lost a friend and this person had no connection whatsoever with any paramilitary. To me, this was a very innocent man, I’m delighted – and all I’d like to see is closure and thank you for your response.

Michael:  Peter Fitzpatrick, Independent TD for Louth, asking questions of the Garda Commissioner, Drew Harris, at the Justice Committee yesterday about the killing of Tom Oliver in 1991.

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